April 8 UpDate: Ned Donovan returns but then runs away again, see last "Comments" here ...
cc'd to Allentown City Council
On Mar 27, 2010, at 12:58:15 PM, Bill Villa wrote:
Hi Mike, have you had a chance to examine the sadistic and taunting provocations, threats to sabotage our Mayfair gig, and criminal harassment cruelty that City Councilor Donovan purposefully enabled against my wife Angie and me at his blog posts of March 9, 14, and 18?
Also, what's the status of the official City Council "censure" of Donovan you were looking into for his outrageous behavior against a grief-stricken Allentown family?
Also, were you able to deliver my ultimatum to Donovan-- i.e., either Donovan apologizes to me in Council Chambers after my 5-minute statement or Angie and I go after him legally with "both barrels" and speak with Cedar Crest College President Carmen Twillie Ambar about the "ethics" of her Ethics Professor. If yes, which avenue did Donovan indicate a preference for, an apology? Or "both barrels" legally?
Okay to phone me over the weekend, as we'd like to advance on Donovan ASAP.
Thank you as always for your consideration, Mike.
Best Regards,
Bill Villa
610.428.xxxx
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71 comments:
Michael Donovan said...[at his ironically titled blog, "Inclusion" at 8:45pm on March 25, 2010]
"I would never apologize to him."
The criminal harassment against Sheena's family by "Team Casey/O'Hare" continues at Donovan's blog in the comments from Donovan's blog posts of March 22 and March 25.
At one point, Donovan actually comments that he is allowing the sadistic comments against the Villa family b/c he is "enjoying reading them."
Donovan's verbatim response in a comment was this:
I am just going to let all comments run. They are fun to read.
Best regards,
Michael
March 12, 2010 2:25 PM
I don't see much difference between Michael Donovan's blog and the Najarian/O'Hare Troll Parade blog. Both are vehicles for spreading lies and deceit, taunts and provocations, and criminally harassing an innocent (and civic-minded) Allentown family.
Email, Outgoing, to Mike D'Amore, cc'd to Allentown City Council.
On Mar 29, 2010, at 1:38:19 PM, Bill Villa wrote:
Mike, amidst the avalanche of anonymous taunts and cowardly provocations directed against Angie and me (likely all penned & posted by Chris Casey and Bernie O'Hare) that are being enabled and encouraged by Allentown City Council VP and Cedar Crest College "Ethics" Professor Michael Donovan at his "civil" blog that "explores mutual respect," the following comments are among the most offensive, cruel, and criminal, and the comments actually signed by Casey and O'Hare will likely cause Donovan the most trouble legally as they amount to sanctioned libel.
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Snorting ashes said...
Hey look at this funny new blog I found!
Troll Villa
SWEET!
March 15, 2010 2:17 PM
BV Note: The "ashes," presumably, would be my daughter Sheena's ashes.
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Pussilanimous Galore said...
Merci Boo Cuckoo!
The Villas are like having a reality Snuff Show on the Internet!
March 14, 2010 4:40 PM
BV Note: A "Snuff Show" is a motion picture genre that depicts the actual death or murder of a person or people.
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RUPAUL said...
Well, wee willie, what is the good of playing your "grieving father role" if you can't do it in public?
Why don't you drag your dumb ass and your vibrator down to City Council tonight and speak at courtesy of the floor?
I would show up to watch. You could do your Bill/Willa routine
Are you a man or a woman? I know I'm confused.
You better leave the robot [Angie] at home, it would be embarassing if her chip blew a circuit during your presentation.
March 17, 2010 10:51 AM
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RUPAUL said...
Are you still barred from entering [The Morning Call] buildings?
Threatening to kill people will make that happen huh, dumbass?!
March 18, 2010 10:16 AM
BV Note: I've never threatened to kill anyone.
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Bernie O'Hare said...
Villa ... You are guilty of being a criminal harasser.
You forearmed a Catholic seminarian in the gut in a courthouse hallway, while your lawyer laughed and egged you on.
You were screaming "You will burn in hell" while your attorney laughed.
In the meantime, the PJ was only about 30' away, and you and your attorney were both tossed.
If necessary, i will produce the court offficer who told you and your mouthpiece to leave.
March 14, 2010 2:16 PM
BV Note: Everything in O'Hare's statement above is a lie, including and especially the part about me being a "guilty criminal harasser."
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Chris Casey said...
Here is a bit of truth:
You were NOT EXONERATED.
I WAS THERE.
March 14, 2010 7:29 PM
BV Note: The actual truth is that I was indeed exonerated, resoundingly, of all the phony/rigged charges against me.
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Bernie O'Hare said...
As a matter of law, Villa, you are a convicted criminal.
March 14, 2010 8:00 PM
BV Note: As a matter of fact, I was cleared of all the phony/rigged charges against me.
Anon 12:04, we don't see much difference either.
Readers, to give you a glimpse into the world of evil sadism and cruelty we've been dragged into, the result of our speaking truth to power, we received this anonymous comment at 12:26 am this morning at our post, The Hypocrisy of Rick Daugherty, Mike Donovan, and the O'Hare-Duped Dunce Dems ...
Anonymous said...
So when do the Sheena sex tapes get released?
Phone Message left for Allentown City Council President Mike D'Amore last night at 8:03pm ... and I'm paraphrasing ...
"Hi Mike, have you had a chance to examine the sadistic and taunting provocations, threats to sabotage our Mayfair gig, and criminal harassment cruelty that City Councilor Donovan purposefully enabled against my wife Angie and me at his blog posts of March 9, 14, 18, 22, and 25?
Today I emailed you and City Council a representative sampling of the criminally harassing and libelous comments that Councilor Donovan is proactively providing a forum for and commenting that these comments are fun to read.
Also, what's the status of the official City Council "censure" of Donovan you were looking into for his outrageous behavior against a grief-stricken Allentown family?
Also, were you able to deliver my ultimatum to Donovan-- i.e., either Donovan apologizes to me in Council Chambers after my 5-minute statement or Angie and I go after him legally with "both barrels" and speak with Cedar Crest College President Carmen Twillie Ambar about the "ethics" of her Ethics Professor. If yes, which avenue did Donovan indicate a preference for, an apology? Or "both barrels" legally?
Mike, give me a call on Tuesday as we'd like to advance on Donovan ASAP.
And thank you as always for your consideration, Mike."
Bill Villa
610.428.xxxx
I read the new funny blog. Someone needs to tell the idiot creator the difference between "insure" and "ensure." Seems like Casey's handiwork, ditto this morning's comment about Sheena. It pains me reading about what Sheena's family is going through, for having the audacity to confront the powers that be (for now).
Yes .. we're definitely 'paying a price' for our repeated out-maneuverings of DA Jim Martin and The Morning Call "newspaper" (and State Attorney General Tom Corbett and a coupla crony-crooked District Magistrates), but we believe it's our civic duty and this is WHY WE FIGHT ...
Villas, as usual, you were dead-on target in your out-smarting and outing of Chris Casey as the person who poisoned the well for you w/ Rick Daugherty and the O'Hare-Duped Dunce local dems and then taunted you about it (anonymously of course) at LVS.
Casey actually confesses to it in a comment at (not surprisingly) city council person Mike Donovan's blog....(Mike writes for The Morning Call too, Valley Blogosphere)
Chris Casey said...
I am proud to let you know that I personally attended the Democratic Party Executive Committee meeting and gave them my EXCELLENT REASONS for telling you that they were not interested in your METHODS.-March 11, 2010 8:27 AM
We always knew it was Casey, he leaves his tell-tale troll fingerprints all over everything, including most of the vile anonymous comments we get here defiling my daughter Sheena.
Casey's, um, 180-degree turnaround on this Jim Martin issue definitely represents Casey's most dramatic flip-flop (among many) to date, protecting DA Jim Martin like this-- heck, it wasn't all that long ago that Casey (allegedly) spent an entire week's vacation following Jim Martin around in a van full of video equipment. Or so he told us. Oh well, those were the days before "Valley Blogosphere" at The Morning Call "newspaper."
FYI, shortly after being "snubbed" by Rick Daugherty and the O'Hare-Duped Dunce Dems locally, I got a phone call from someone (who must remain nameless) much higher up in the Democratic Party. This person told me that the only outfit more totally disorganized and pathetically ineffective than our Rick Daugherty "led" Lehigh County Dem Party is our Lehigh County GOP Party.
"No great loss," was the consoling message, re: me not getting heard by Rick Daugherty and his hen house of officers.
I was also told there are actual powerful people whole-heartedly committed to finding, and funding, a Democratic candidate who will eject Jim Martin off his lard-ass padded throne, via the ballot box, in 2011.
I was also told I'd have a role to play in all of this, and that these folks would be happy to meet w/ me when the time is right. Just sayin'.
WOW, that is great news Bill, and DAMN, you're like the Yankees you always find a way to win big and often.
And to your point, (sigh), here's the kind of blog posts you just don't find anywhere but at LVS these days, sadly...
"Ethics, Morning Call style," by the pre-"Valley Blogosphere" Chris Casey...
So true.
Before degenerating into 100% Fact-Free drivel (loyally followed by Mike Donovan, BTW) such as this ...
Casey's blog (and were they "nutz" too?) was looking into stuff like this ...
Gee, I sure hope compulsively regular ("Top 25") LVS reader Debbie Garlicki tells her new boss about Casey's admitted (and alleged) stalking of him.....
I recall Casey's video stalking stakeouts including The Hogan's Club (parking lot), Limeport Inn, Armetta's, and some annual charity softball game for local politicos. I remember Casey telling me that Martin would bat, but he'd have a pinch runner, b/c he'd be too drunk to run. Or walk. Driving home, hey, "good to go," and that's what Casey was gonna videotape.
... a totally true story, oopsie ;D
Interestingly, 'round these parts, the "guy" who flip-flopped Casey onto the 'Dark Side' is gone, but not forgotten ...
Chris Casey stalking this blog again.
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Was it Chris Casey who said...
"You are one sick Mother. What do you do,keep your daughter's dead body in the basement so you can whore it around like a trophy? You oughta call this the How I whore my dead daughter blog. I bet you masterbate on her everytime you mention the name of one of your enemies. You and your wife are two of the sickest fucks I have ever read. Get some help." -Posted at LVS by Anonymous? on Fri Jan 08, 02:59:00 PM 2010
F.Y.I.
this related comment was posted and signed by Chris Casey at LV Ramblings on Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:53am ...
"I am disappointed to see the last bastion of no moderation of comments has fallen. Villa must be celebrating in his basement."
Only a total psycho buffoon like Chris Casey would subliminally "confess" to having posted that awful anonymous "basement" comment about Sheena here at LVS...via using the exact same language of evil in a signed comment elsewhere. And if Chris didn't author it, he is endorsing it, by referencing it. He is also, quite obviously, referencing the vile comment to provoke the Villas, by way of pushing the cruelest "hot button" he can find, the death of Sheena.
Guilty. Case Closed. Now on to the sentencing phase ...
*THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO COMMENTS EQUALLING ONE POST*
Hi Mr. Villa.
I don't know if you'll approve my comment, I actually hope you do. I have sat back and watched as the most juvenile of interactions has happened between grown men and women in the Allentown Pennsylvania area. I posted a couple things, added my own voice every once in a while on my father's blog, and I myself added a blog post entitled "Political People in Allentown PA" to talk about it. While very rarely have I ever been involved in the name-calling and mud-slinging that appears on these blog posts and comments, there have been a few times when I have been attacked, embarassed, hurt, and felt threatened by people who I have assumed are you in various "anonymous" forms.
I have no proof of this. Nor does anyone else. Mr. Villa please do not believe that this is me excusing you for something I am quite certain you are guilty of.
Call it gut instinct,
call it immature,
call it a lie,
call it another one of the Donovan's taking potshots at you and your family,
call it stockholm syndrome as you may or may not have done anonymously at 8:46AM on April, 3 2009and 6:57AM May 5 2009 on my father's blog;
call me a nazi as you may or may not have done anonymously 30 minutes later at 9:12AM on April, 3 2009 on my father's blog and again at 12:19PM February 3 2009;
call me windy like you may or may not have done anonymously at 5:00PM May 18 2009;
I could go on, but I just don't feel like posting more links.
You see Mr. Villa, there are comments on this site which are just as offensive back in the direction of my father. There are comments made on this site which border on threatening with intent to harm, or at the very least libel towards my father, and you either allow them or are the author.
You know what though? All of this could go under crimes of people merely wanting to support their positions and getting overheated, or to whatever end you want to leave this at if you didn't cross the line into my family as badly as you accuse people of crossing into yours. You are a grieving father, and my heart goes out to you for it. My father is also grieving, over the loss of his daughter 22 years ago. My older sister who I never knew. In a post where my father finally showed the full frustration he feels at your inability to engage in civil discourse he let you in on that part of my family's life. He acknowledged that he is fed up with your chastising, and asked you to emerge and just engage in real conversation instead of hate mail. Your response? It can be seen at this message to you. You not only did not offer any of the condolences that my father has extended to you on numerous occasions over the loss of your daughter, but came back at my father calling him a "shameless publicity whore", "pusillanimous", and you threatened his job. Now other people threw a bunch of names around in that post as well, but I'm not addressing them, I'm addressing you, sir.
*THIS IS THE SECOND OF TWO BLOG COMMENTS EQUALLING ONE POST*
The fact is Mr. Villa, your behavior on that particular posting has offended me beyond belief, and I never knew my sister so I can't imagine how the rest of my family feels. I bet they feel pretty close to how you sometimes feel over the loss of your daughter. No one supports the death of your daughter, death is a tragic thing, especially to one so young. She sounds like she was a wonderful person. As a dancer, actor, singer much like your late daughter, I can say that I would never support my father doing anything like you do on a regular basis, and when you can show me legitimate proof that he has ever engaged in the name-calling and overall offensive hate messaging that you post, I will maybe begin to consider you as a human being.
I can tell you that my father has attempted to approach your attacks with humor (your quoted post from March 12 2010), he has attempted to approach your attacks with silence (you accuse him of staying silent as you are attacked by others), you accuse him of being a nazi when he threatens moderation but then ask him to delete posts against you. Mr. Villa you need to make up your mind.
I have more to say but I just don't know how to articulate it. I will even go so far as to allow my manhood to be threatened by saying that reading some of your comments, and watching the wars waged on what was originally intended as an open political forum has brought tears to my eyes. I am so angry at you Mr. Villa that I can say the only person higher on my list of anger right now is Fred Phelps. You do not want to be associated with that sort of a man. I know this for a fact because you are artistic, you are supposedly a liberal, you care about politics, and you care a whole ton for your dead daughter. Stop acting like Fred Phelps. If you would like to see the kinds of things I have to say on him, you can read my post here. I implore you again, work to tone down your veneer, and begin to allow people back into your grace. If you want to really be a political player, you need to stop polarizing the playing field. I bet my father would even begin to work with you if you tried. But you don't. Why? Heaven (and therefore Sheena and Victoria [my sister]) only knows.
I will ask one more thing of you, sir; but it also goes out to anyone thinking about responding. Do not misconstrue my words. Do not rewrite my words. Post this as written. To make sure that I am heard correctly, I am copying and pasting this exact post onto my own website in a post called "A Message To Bill Villa". Then do not invite the massive hate-messaging that I have watched on both yours and my fathers' blogs; instead, if you have a response I would appreciate you posting it in a comment form to me on my own blog on the above mentioned post to you. Anyone else reading this, you are welcome to post on my blog as well, I only ask that responses be brought to me there. I will not abide anonymous postings that are hateful. If you are anonymous for personal reasons, be civil and you will be posted.
Thank you in advance for listening to me. I believe you don't want to be hated any more than I want to hate you, and that's very little. I can say that I eagerly await any response you might have because I expect that you have legitimate reasoning for your actions. I expect this because you are smart, and smart people don't do things for no reason.
Yours respectfully and very sincerely,
~Ned Donovan
Hey there, Ned.
FYI: I've expressed my heartfelt, and knowing, condolences to your father about the loss of his daughter during in-person meetings I've had w/ him in the past-- before he made the tragically duped dunce decision to die on his sword defending Team O'Hare.
Your father, on the other hand, grandstand-waves his phony condolences to me out there in the local blogospehere purely for his own personal magnanimous aggrandizement, while (out of the other side of his "civil" mouth) enabling Team O'Hare to defile my daughter Sheena's memory every chance he gets.
Sadly, kid, you are a chip off the old block.
Like Dad, you are profoundly narcissistic, and thick as a brick.
I won't waste any more time on you ...
although I do expect you to publish a link to our new blog post on this subject at your blog, which you have invited me to visit, and I shall.
Now beat it.
Neddo, on second thought, I'd appreciate it if you would post this at your blog for me ...
Mr. Villa's Response
Put it somewhere where everyone will see it.
Merci.
Readers, not surprisingly, after I graciously posted Ned Donovan's comments here in their windy entirety, he has disingenuously removed the links from my response comments which he has posted at his blog-- thus making sure his "readers" do not get to see our most recent blog post on the subject or our post on Team O'Hare.
Very clever, Ned.
If you can't beat 'em fair & square ... just cheat.
Like father, like son.
So Daddy Donovan sends his Sonny Boy to fight his battles for him, now there's some inspiring "leadership" for Allentown.
Ned Donovan ...
Take The "Pooley Pledge"
No worries sir. Besides not posting my second comment in response to yours (thanks for that) I was unaware of HOW to put links into a wordpress blog comment post. HTML was not working. No worries, I have updated the comments to get the links back in after doing some research after I got out of class.
Ned, try clicking on those links and reading the content.
And Sondra Wise has actually provided the best advice for you:
Take The "Pooley Pledge"
NED: EXTRA CREDIT
THE UGLY TRUTH
ABOUT BERNIE O'HARE
Part 1: Overview
Part 2: George Usry
Part 3: Lucille White
Part 4: Still Duped By O'Hare?
Part 5: Why is Bernie O'Hare Defiling Sheena Villa?
Part 6: "Best" of The Troll Parade Blog
"Besides not posting my second comment in response to yours (thanks for that)" -Ned Donovan
We rejected it for being inappropriately flippant, considering the seriousness of this matter, and the hot water your father's now in.
Ned, What I find quite disturbing about your comments here is that you are publicly condemning Bill Villa for being hateful and offensive, yet you (like your dad) engage with and enable the cruel authors of The Troll Parade blog, and several other vile blogs that were created for the sole purpose of taunting and harassing The Villas.
Seems like the kid fixed the links.
I like what he had to say. Seemed balanced. And an attempt to find common ground.
Makes me wonder. What is his sister saying to your daughter? Could be an interesting conversation.
Give him a break, Bill. After al, you know you are right.
Ned all this is really simple, Team Casey-O'Hare-Donovan can dish it out but they can't take it.
Ned, if Villa is so "wrong" how come courts in both Northampton County and Lehigh County slapped down the OTHER guys? Makes you wonder, just a little, doesn't it? Read the stories. It's outrageous what's being perpetrated on Bill Villa...
Hi Monsieur Villa,
While of course we don't agree, I would just like to point out that the real purpose of my post was to try and create as civil an engagement as I could. You see I don't think the problem is that you and "the other team" disagree, it's that you and the other team touch some of the most awful things in order to beat each other (and I am absolutely including "Team whatever-you-call-them" in that statement. The readers of your blog believe one thing and the readers of other blogs believe others. While I wish you had posted my second comment instead of deleting it, I am happy to see that civil discourse has broken out even amongst the anonymous posters above. Yes they are against what I had to say, but for the most part they are doing it strongly, but with at least a little civility. That's all I think has to change, not your stances or your policies (same with the other side).
Off-Topic: By the way I listened to some of your music not too long ago and I liked them. Just thought I'd let you and your wife know.
Oui, Ned (and merci), The Villas music is irresistibly catchy and I'm pleased we agree on this and (just a heads up) save the date.
Regarding the things we (as you say) "of course don't agree on," I am very curious to know if you (unlike your father) will at least publicly acknowledge some indisputable FACTS.
Be civil and follow me on this, would you?
For example ...
1. It's an indisputable FACT that Bernie O'Hare is barred from practicing law because he sabotaged his own African American client's civil rights litigation against Bethlehem Steel, utilizing, according to the findings of the Disciplinary Board of PA Supreme Court ...
dishonesty, fraud, deceit, misrepresentation, unauthorized activity, forgery, cover-up, conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice, illegal conduct, and moral turpitude (evil intent).
Even The Morning Call covered this, albeit not nearly as thoroughly as we did here, and here's the "official paperwork" on it.
Now Ned, I suppose there are civil people who may civilly disagree about whether O'Hare still "liberally" (wink wink) utilizes dishonesty, fraud, deceit, forgery, etc., etc., etc., in his blog "life" ... however ... it is an indisputable FACT that O'Hare was barred from lawyering for having used these "skills."
Acknowledged & "Agreed" on this, Ned? Please let me know.
2. It's also an indisputable FACT that 20-some years after being barred from the lawyering profession for sabotaging his own client's civil litigation, O'Hare (w/ attorney (for now) Dave Najarian, Lynn Township Supervisor) publicly discussed, and publicly threatened to sabotage my daughter Sheena's wrongful death litigation.
Acknowledged & "Agreed" on this too, Ned?
Again, please let me know.
And if your answer to both questions is "yes," I'd be up for continuing this civil discussion w/ you.
You're up ...
Ned, FYI, my personal favorite Villas song on The Villas 2nd CD, "Set For Life," is "Way To Go," but we can certainly agree to disagree on this selection, but I should tell you that "Way To Go" garnered playlist "adds" and airplay on 50-some radio stations (including some Clear Channel affiliates) across America.
Ned, if/when answering Bill's 2 excellent questions, try to not be intimidated by O'Hare's (and Casey's) perpetually cyber-stalking presence. Just sayin'.
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BV, betcha $5 you never hear from Ned Donovan again.
I won't take that bet.
As long as I maintain that all-important blog civility that everyone else (wink wink) maintains, and cherishes, religiously, well .. there's no reason for Ned to not return here, is there?
Bill, you're tricking Ned into agreeing to facts, stop being such a bully :)
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Guess Who?
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... stealing his neighbor's wireless internet service again ...
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Ned .. no pressure or anything but O'Hare is obviously very interested in reading your answers to Bill's 2 excellent questions, he's stalking by here, on average, every 30 minutes or so. Q. Has he phoned you yet and tried to give you the answers?
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Looks like "Somebody" owes me $5.
Villas Bill and Angie, just wanted to say how admirable it is of you both to have even allowed Ned Donovan's comments here (think Molovinsky would have allowed his comments in a similar situation? Guess again) let alone engaging in a mutually respectful and civil discussion w/ the son of a "man" (Donivan) who has subjected you both to sadistic cruelty, criminal harassment, and sanctioned libel at his blog. You two are truly remarkable people. Just sayin'.
Thank you, Betty.
And hold your horses there "City O," let's be civil and give Ned Donovan time to get back to us ...
Now I got $10 that says you'll never hear from Ned Donovan again.
Well, in all dew (civil and mutual) respect, I hope you're wrong.
Double or nothing?
Email, Incoming ... [Part 1]
On Apr 8, 2010, at 12:41:18 AM, Ned Donovan wrote:
Hi Mr. Villa,
So I've been thinking about this email since you sent it now, and I've looked over the information you've given me, I've done my own research
as well. I've run a plethora of answers past a bunch of people unrelated to the situation because I've been trying to find the best way to answer. You see I'm not really interested in getting into a cat and mouse game with you, sir. I think I know the line you're trying to draw me down, and while I feel fully comfortable with my answer to it when you bust out your not-so-hidden card, to fight back would mean me either playing dirty, condemning any number of people (yourself and Mr. O'Hare included), or even condemning Allentown as a
whole. I decided to send you this e-mail instead. I'm not ending our conversation because I'm not interested in seeing it through, I'm ending this conversation because it is public, and because since I'm actually interested in not getting on your bad side, and I'm interested in not making an enemy of Mr. O'Hare, and I'm not interested in hurting my father, I feel like any line of thinking you attempt to draw me down is almost certainly going to cause me to have to talk about other things I discovered in my internet research.
I don't doubt that you know what I'm talking about.
Please don't think I'm slighting you here, I really am interested in talking this out with you, but if it's going to continue I'd like to do it via email, and I'd like to do it privately instead of for the whole blogosphere to see. I also, someday, would especially like to meet you in person. You see I doubt we'll agree ever on many things, but I would rather sleep at night knowing that I met you and talked to you than that we had an internet spat and you wrote me off as a long-winded brat of a guy you despise, and I wrote you off as a jackass who needs to calm down. I can at least understand your side even if I don't agree with all of it (I will say that I don't disagree with all of it either). I can also say that even if you were disguising yourself in civility to draw me into a false sense of security (something that wouldn't have worked, unfortunately I'm pretty sure I think much like you and if that WAS your tactic it stood out to me like a sore thumb), I appreciate your taking the time to at least try and reason with me.
[Part 2, Ned Donovan continues]
As I said before, I'm not ending this conversation on your blog because I don't have answer, or a retort to your followup, but because I'd rather keep myself off both Mr. O'Hare's and your shit lists.
I listened to your stuff you sent me, and the previews on CD Baby. My favorite song is More Than I Can Do. I'd be frankly interested to
know what you guys sound like if you laid off the distortion pedal and rocked acoustic versions of most of your songs.
I'm not expecting you to take this email kindly, and I can't stop you from reposting it, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't. Call this a win on your blog if you must. I think that it would have been a fair fight, but a lot of really bad shit would have been drudged up in the process. I can say that if I were Mr. O'Hare, or you, I wouldn't want that stuff brought out to be paraded around.
All the best to you, I won't have a chance to make it to mayfair because of my show schedules, however I would like to meet you at some point, if that would be alright with you, even to shake your hand and say "now we've met".
By the way, I didn't get the part. Thanks for the best wishes though. I've accepted an offer playing Macduff in a production of Macbeth with a shakespeare company here in Ithaca.
~Ned Donovan
Ned Donovan
Ithaca College '12
Waynflete '08
(207) 632-xxxx
http://www.neddonovan.com
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On Apr 8, 2010, at 12:56:01 AM, Ned Donovan wrote:
Oh and one last small thing.
It's not a big gripe with you, but the anonymous responses posted after the one of mine that you did not accept were easily as flippant if not more in my direction. Honestly now, did you deny it because it was flippant, or did you deny it because it was flippant and shot you down?
Just food for thought.
~Ned Donovan
Well, Readers, now there's a Donovan for you.
Ned uses 756 words to avoid using two.
To review (b/c it's been a while),
my simple question was:
Ned, will you acknowledge as FACT that ...
1. O'Hare is barred from lawyering for sabotaging his own client's lawsuit. [Correct Answer = "YES"]
2. O'Hare publicly threatened to sabotage my daughter Sheena's lawsuit. [Correct Answer = "YES"]
Readers, I had been hoping to continue the civil and mutually respectful discussion that Ned Donovan allegedly came here to get going ... and I thought, well, okay, let's find some common ground as our starting point, and I thought, well, how about starting w/ two indisputable facts [see above].
But then Ned (Donovan that he is) found a way around this 2-word civil starting point ... in 756 words.
Boy. He sure "shot me down" (wink wink), eh?
I surrender :)
(almost forgot)
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So ... Ned Donovan ...
> wants to end a blog conversation that HE started bc it has become "public" (geez how'd THAT happen?)
> makes veiled threat he'll reveal damaging stuff on Bill that he found via internet research (?) "I don't doubt that you know what I'm talking about"
> thinks The Villas should "rock softer" (yeah, Jim Martin thinks that too)
Angie, CONGRATS on accepting the Arts Ovation Award for Chen.
Q. Will a-town arts commissioner (for now) W. Donovan be presenting it to you?
"Call this a win on your blog" -Ned Donovan
And I owe you $5.
$10.00
Touché (mea culpa).
"I've run a plethora of answers past a bunch of people unrelated to the situation because I've been trying to find the best way to answer." -Ned Donovan
Ned .. rehearsed his answer(s) to Bill's simple Q?
Those poor Ithaca dorm mates.
"I think I know the line you're trying to draw me down ..." -Ned Donovan
Yeah and it's one "slippery slope," I'll tell ya, it's called:
acknowledging FACTS.
And Ned Donovan (and Daddy Donovan) no can do.
"however I would like to meet you at some point, if that would be alright with you, even to shake your hand and say "now we've met"." -Ned Donovan
Uh huh, and then lie about a Villa "forearm to the gut."
" ... when you bust out your not-so-hidden card ..." -Ned Donovan
You mean this one?
"I'm not really interested in getting into a cat and mouse game with you, sir." -Ned Donovan
Sadly, Ned, you already did :)
Thanks, Foo!
And what a crock of crap, that Ned Donovan found "dirt" on Bill through "internet research." If there was actual dirt on Bill out there don't you think Team O'Hare would have published it by now, instead of making up fake dirt? Please.
Well said, honeykins.
Ned, here's actual dirt.
Here's some more ...
More actual dirt TBA ;D
Bill, Michael Donovan has like 1900 blog profile views.
You have over 15,000.
In addition to being, obviously, 15,000 times more interesting than Mike Donovan, you'd probably get 15,000 more votes than "W" in a race for a seat on City Council. And could you effect some change there, or what? Just more "food for thought."
:)
On the subject of "comparisons," isn't it something how Ned Donovan is attempting to use a "promise" (a.k.a. a threat) of internet dirt on moi ... to "make the case" (wink wink) that O'Hare and I have basically an equal number of skeletons in our closets! Wow. And Ned had to have been coached on that one by O'Hare hiss-self, because the Ned Donovan we know just doesn't possess that kind of Evil/Professional Status circuitry ... we don't think ...
You want the truth? You won't draw me down that line, sir!
How bout it, Jesus ... what fuckin' liars (and please forgive my temporary lapse of civility and mutual respect).
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